Posts by IT Support

A black lad who was a newbie at Bethel was at Barbour's table. "Pass the salt, boy," said Barbour to the newbie.
Feeling this was an unintended racial slur, the newbie said, "Pardon, what did you say?"
"Pass the salt, ni**er," retorted Barbour.
Deathly silence round the whole table. Barbour continues unperturbed.

Can anyone confirm this story is accuate?

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Re: PLEASE READ GOD VS. THE GAVEL: RELIGION & THE RULE OF LAW

by AndersonsInfo in

marci a. hamilton is an internationally recognized constitutional expert specializing in church/state relations.

professor hamilton's new book, god vs. the gavel: religion and the rule of law is one of the brightest lights on the horizon in a difficult time of prosecuting religions that cause harm.

ms. hamilton states -- "while religious conduct provides many benefits to society, it is not always benign.

IT Support

Thank you for mentioning this. I've ordered it from my library but it will take a few weeks to arrive.

Ms. Hamilton zones in on Jehovah's Witnesses on pgs. 14, 15, 20, & 25-27 of Chap. 1. She states in part on page 14-15:

Sorry for being so pedantic, but may I just check whether this is chapter 2 or chapter 1? (While waiting for the book, I'm including your quotes in some notes I'm writing up and need to have accurate references.)

I'm looking forward to reading the book. Thanks again.

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Fascinating development in sex-abuse cases!

by hornetsnest in

i dont get on here very often, but when i saw this i figured that you would like to know about it.

it seems that the catholic church here in oregon (u. s.

) is doing everything possible to shield its assets from the sex-abuse liability they have incurred.

IT Support

Is this the same story? The wording seems slightly different...

http://customwire.ap.org/dynamic/stories/P/PORTLAND_ARCHDIOCESE?SITE=OREUG&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

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Who and What was the deal on this Leo Greenlee's person ?????

by run dont walk in

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from rumour, i understand he was a governing body member, and he liked getting new bethelite boys drunk and playing hide the hot dog in your bum, and that he was transferred to new orleans as a "special pioneer", now this is all rumour, do we have any facts, and how long was he a governing body member, and did he die a faithful witness ???????

any info on this guy would be appreciated.. thanks in advance

IT Support

Hi Potleg,

Chitty lived in London Bethel for around fifty years before moving to Brooklyn to join the GB. His last thirty years in London he lived with his homosexual lover, Edgar Clay, like two old poofs in a retirement home. However, that didn't stop him also liking the young boys, especially in the sauna.

This is from Chitty's life story:

*** w63 2/15 p. 118 "In Pleasant Places" with Jehovah’s Organization ***With an older brother and a boy friend I attended some talks being given by the Bible Students, as Jehovah’s witnesses were then known... Then, too, in Bethel itself there is the opportunity of entering into a real friendship... Then, too, I have had the same friend and roommate for the past thirty years or more, Brother Edgar Clay, whose life story you may have already read; but now we share a lovely room, a most pleasant home with a fine view facing south, and an extra window looking out to rising fields and trees and the setting sun in all its glory.

I guess we lived in more innocent times back then and nobody recognised the signs in time.

Sorry you're still hurting. Have you tried finding a good therapist?

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WT Literature Gems ...

by ithinkisee in

jw
friends

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i got an original 1/1/89 wt - which says that the end would come before 2000 - before they changed it in subsequent bound volumes and cd-rom w/out telling anyone.. i also got a 1969 (purple cover) kingdom interlinear.

it is the one with the blatant mantey misquotes - you know - the ones that he fired off a letter regarding and demanded they remove mention of him and a public apology.. just thought i would share .... -ithinkisee

IT Support

MerryMagdalene ,

I have that Interlinear! Do you know where I can find the Mantey info? I'd like to copy it and tuck it inside.

See the 1969 Interlinear, page 1159, right hand column, first paragraph.

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Captives of Concept?

by vitty in

jw
friends

i want to order the book ( i think its called captives of concept).

does anyone know where i can order it from?

ive just ordered releasing the bonds, by steve hassan, but i couldnt find that book on the web site.. is captives also written by steve hassan?

IT Support

www.captivesofaconcept.com

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What Do You Think Rutherford's Last Words Were???

by minimus in

jw
friends

IT Support

"Make mine a large one."

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Tertiary education

by Spanners in

hi, my sister is a jw and last year was her final year of secondary school (17/18 years old over here), she received the prize for best student overall in the whole school.

she's always wanted to go to university and become a lawyer and now since becoming a jw has changed her mind and is working in a restaurant clearing tables.

which is a bit of a joke, because she'll end up stuck in that job for the next 30 years.. she doesnt want to go to university because "armageddon is coming soon so theres no point".

IT Support

A while ago, someone posted here his notes from the 'Hope and Endurance' (?) circuit assembly.

He said they came down very hard on education. They stated that when a child goes to college the Society loses the kid to the world. So the only logical solution is to do all we can to prevent these kids from going to college and getting a career.

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First Post

by 5thGeneration in

jw
friends

some things confuse me here.

i am in the same position as many where i don't agree with so much the society says and feel stuck dragging myself to the meetings and then feel incredible guilt because the study for the day says it is wrong to have any doubts "even in private".

impossible for me!.

IT Support

5G,

Some things confuse me here.

Perhaps because this is a very open forum, and once people leave 'the truth' they explore an enormously wide spectrum of new beliefs. Some you may agree with, others less so!

I am in the same position as many where I don't agree with so much the Society says and feel stuck dragging myself to the meetings

I think a lot of us here have been in that same position. We had to get OUT as quickly as possible. The only restraint was the efeect it would have on family and friends, so instead of being able to just say 'I'm off,' we had to work out a way to leave but causing minimal disruption.

and then feel incredible guilt because the study for the day says it is wrong to have any doubts "even in private". Impossible for me!

The Society are masters of manipulation in guilt. There are a thousand-and-one things they'll make you feel guilty for. Since they're an international bookselling corporation in the guise of an apostate Christian religion, there's no genuine love and so guilt is the only lever they have to control their members.

How do many of you personally blaspheme Jehovah?

I guess the blasphemy is optional! If you still believe in God (as I did when I left, but don't now), your actions will still be dictated by how you believe He wants you to act. But one of the hardest things when exiting the WT is learning to genuinely respect others' beliefs and not to be critical of them. As JWs, it was drummed into us that only we had 'the Truth,' only we followed God's laws properly, only we had a proper understanding of the Bible and everyone else is wrong, worldly, wicked, soon to be exterminated at Armageddon. That does tend to produce a rather self-righteous attitude in JWs!

I want to leave the Society

Well done! You've taken the first steps to freedom...

but I still believe in Jehovah, and also that doctrinally we are still the closest to the truth in my mind.

.. but you still have a lot of study and research ahead of you!

Welcome, stick around and you'll learn a lot.

As a matter of interest, what caused you to start questioning the Society?